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		<title>By: Cuchulain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuchulain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-282&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Max Cairnduff&lt;/a&gt; - 

Yes. Excellent book. Taylorism was really important for the Soviet state. They actually wanted to become even more efficient than Western industrialized nations. In that sense (and in many more), they were far from the antidote or antithesis to capitalist societies. They actually embraced many of the same goals and methods. 

To boil it down . . . waaaaay too much: They shed one master but imposed another. Workers lost out regardless. &lt;em&gt;Lose&lt;/em&gt; out, for the most part, under either system. 

Perhaps someday we&#039;ll create a system -- a functioning, healthy, progressive system -- where we shed &lt;em&gt;masters&lt;/em&gt;, period. 

:&gt;)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;283&#039;,&#039;Cuchulain&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;283&#039;,&#039;Cuchulain&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-282\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Max Cairnduff&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nYes. Excellent book. Taylorism was really important for the Soviet state. They actually wanted to become even more efficient than Western industrialized nations. In that sense (and in many more), they were far from the antidote or antithesis to capitalist societies. They actually embraced many of the same goals and methods. \r\n\r\nTo boil it down . . . waaaaay too much: They shed one master but imposed another. Workers lost out regardless. &lt;em&gt;Lose&lt;\/em&gt; out, for the most part, under either system. \r\n\r\nPerhaps someday we\&#039;ll create a system -- a functioning, healthy, progressive system -- where we shed &lt;em&gt;masters&lt;\/em&gt;, period. \r\n\r\n:&gt;)&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-282' rel="nofollow">@Max Cairnduff</a> — </p>
<p>Yes. Excellent book. Taylorism was really important for the Soviet state. They actually wanted to become even more efficient than Western industrialized nations. In that sense (and in many more), they were far from the antidote or antithesis to capitalist societies. They actually embraced many of the same goals and methods. </p>
<p>To boil it down … waaaaay too much: They shed one master but imposed another. Workers lost out regardless. <em>Lose</em> out, for the most part, under either system. </p>
<p>Perhaps someday we’ll create a system — a functioning, healthy, progressive system — where we shed <em>masters</em>, period. </p>
<p>:&gt;)
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('283','Cuchulain'); return false;">Reply</a>  — <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('283','Cuchulain','&lt;a href=\'#comment-282\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Max Cairnduff&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\nYes. Excellent book. Taylorism was really important for the Soviet state. They actually wanted to become even more efficient than Western industrialized nations. In that sense (and in many more), they were far from the antidote or antithesis to capitalist societies. They actually embraced many of the same goals and methods. \r\n\r\nTo boil it down . . . waaaaay too much: They shed one master but imposed another. Workers lost out regardless. &lt;em&gt;Lose&lt;\/em&gt; out, for the most part, under either system. \r\n\r\nPerhaps someday we\'ll create a system -- a functioning, healthy, progressive system -- where we shed &lt;em&gt;masters&lt;\/em&gt;, period. \r\n\r\n:&gt;)'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Max Cairnduff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Cairnduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is tremendous isn&#039;t it?  Well written, thought provoking, entertaining, a small masterpiece in its way.  I agree with you on the prose too.

Nice Taylorism reference by the way.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;282&#039;,&#039;Max Cairnduff&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;282&#039;,&#039;Max Cairnduff&#039;,&#039;It really is tremendous isn\&#039;t it?  Well written, thought provoking, entertaining, a small masterpiece in its way.  I agree with you on the prose too.\r\n\r\nNice Taylorism reference by the way.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is tremendous isn’t it?  Well written, thought provoking, entertaining, a small masterpiece in its way.  I agree with you on the prose too.</p>
<p>Nice Taylorism reference by the way.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('282','Max Cairnduff'); return false;">Reply</a>  — <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('282','Max Cairnduff','It really is tremendous isn\'t it?  Well written, thought provoking, entertaining, a small masterpiece in its way.  I agree with you on the prose too.\r\n\r\nNice Taylorism reference by the way.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Cuchulain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuchulain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-279&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Robert Mueller&lt;/a&gt; - 


If you haven&#039;t read the book, you really should. It&#039;s a masterpiece. The prose is startling and original. Unique in its own way, but off kilter like another great Soviet writer, Andrei Platonov. 

Hope all is well--&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;280&#039;,&#039;Cuchulain&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;280&#039;,&#039;Cuchulain&#039;,&#039;&lt;a href=\&#039;#comment-279\&#039; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Robert Mueller&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\n\r\nIf you haven\&#039;t read the book, you really should. It\&#039;s a masterpiece. The prose is startling and original. Unique in its own way, but off kilter like another great Soviet writer, Andrei Platonov. \r\n\r\nHope all is well--&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-279' rel="nofollow">@Robert Mueller</a> — </p>
<p>If you haven’t read the book, you really should. It’s a masterpiece. The prose is startling and original. Unique in its own way, but off kilter like another great Soviet writer, Andrei Platonov. </p>
<p>Hope all is well–
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('280','Cuchulain'); return false;">Reply</a>  — <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('280','Cuchulain','&lt;a href=\'#comment-279\' rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;@Robert Mueller&lt;\/a&gt; - \r\n\r\n\r\nIf you haven\'t read the book, you really should. It\'s a masterpiece. The prose is startling and original. Unique in its own way, but off kilter like another great Soviet writer, Andrei Platonov. \r\n\r\nHope all is well--'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Robert Mueller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like &quot;lobotomy-ville&quot;.  What about &quot;Aphaville&quot; (the film) and &quot;alpha-male&quot; to muse freely if I may naturally?  Imagination-control, image-control, control by way of image, No Privacy Watch.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;279&#039;,&#039;Robert Mueller&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;279&#039;,&#039;Robert Mueller&#039;,&#039;I like \&quot;lobotomy-ville\&quot;.  What about \&quot;Aphaville\&quot; (the film) and \&quot;alpha-male\&quot; to muse freely if I may naturally?  Imagination-control, image-control, control by way of image, No Privacy Watch.&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like “lobotomy-ville”.  What about “Aphaville” (the film) and “alpha-male” to muse freely if I may naturally?  Imagination-control, image-control, control by way of image, No Privacy Watch.
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